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The longest debate on in the League is which stance to take on Udyr?
Phoenix, or Tiger?

Phoenix
Pros
-AoE damage
-Excellent DPS
-Increase in ability and attack power
-Sunfire Effect
-Semi-Burst
-Synchronizes with attack speed items well (ie. Sword of Divine)
-Good for jungling

Cons
-Must stay in one stance for damage output
-Poor ratios
-Cannot chase as well




Tiger
Pros
-DoT Burst
-Excellent single target burst damage output
-Increase in attack speed
-Can switch stances quickly without losing much damage
-Good ratios
-Can take down towers faster


Cons

-Item effects work poorly (ie. Trinity Force) [Soon to be fixed hopefully]
-Splits attacks into three (Can get buggy)
-Single target damage

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Just a compilation of Pros and Cons of Udyr's offensive stance. Feel free to add to the list.
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Phoenix. I rarely take Tiger BECAUSE with tiger you doing 3 strikes but they all sum up to 1 normal attack. And also with phoenix you have your normal attack + DoT magic damage.
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Tiger is viable with lots of AD.

Phoenix is better just because DPS Melee champs die very fast, and Phoenix can be used on a tank build to give you more base damage than Morde.

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Most people will tell you tiger is so bad they rather have no spell.But thing is its better for jungling and better for dps i mean seriously who is going to wait for you to hit 4 times for bonus damage?and the wave is just a sunfire cape.Tiger is probably getting fixed next patch so...Phoenix is only better for farming

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* Tiger Stance

o Fixed some bugs where certain items would have their damage cut down to 1/3. They now deal full damage on Tiger Hit. (Affected items are Madred's Razors, Wriggle's Lantern, Sheen, Lich Bane and Trinity Force)
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Phoenix. I rarely take Tiger BECAUSE with tiger you doing 3 strikes but they all sum up to 1 normal attack. And also with phoenix you have your normal attack + DoT magic damage.
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!Its 3 times your attack damage!that means if you have 100 damage it does 300 damage + an auto attack at the same time

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i hate Udyr's tigerstance for 1 thing: if u wplit ur attacks in three if the others have pure dmg reduction then it wont do any damage at all

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IMO Phoenix is better. I'm usin tiger to take down a tower fast. Only for that.
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There's something wrong. You don't need to stay in Phoenix to do damage. You do need to stay in Tiger to do damage.

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Since I build my Udyr dmg and usually end with somewhere around 300 AD, the 900 supriseburst with Tiger is (for me) better then the Phoenix Stance.
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There's something wrong. You don't need to stay in Phoenix to do damage. You do need to stay in Tiger to do damage.


For Tiger, all you need to do is apply the active, then you can switch stances,
unlike Phoenix, the main damage is the persistent effect, and you must stay in that stance to proc it.
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So wrong
!Its 3 times your attack damage!that means if you have 100 damage it does 300 damage + an auto attack at the same time


SO WRONG

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Tiger Stance: Activation - Udyr's next attack will deal a high amount of damage over 2 seconds (based on his attack damage). Persistent Effect - Udyr's attack speed is passively increased. In addition, Udyr splits his attacks into 3 lightning fast hits.

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So wrong
!Its 3 times your attack damage!that means if you have 100 damage it does 300 damage + an auto attack at the same time


SO WRONG

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Tiger Stance: Activation - Udyr's next attack will deal a high amount of damage over 2 seconds (based on his attack damage). Persistent Effect - Udyr's attack speed is passively increased. In addition, Udyr splits his attacks into 3 lightning fast hits.


think he was referring to the activation of tiger stance at max it deals 3x your attack damage over 2 sec.
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There's something wrong. You don't need to stay in Phoenix to do damage. You do need to stay in Tiger to do damage.


For Tiger, all you need to do is apply the active, then you can switch stances,
unlike Phoenix, the main damage is the persistent effect, and you must stay in that stance to proc it.


For Phoenix, all you need to do is ativate it, then you can switch stances, unlike Tiger, where the main damage is your AD and you mist stay in that stance to benefit from the IAS.

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tiger for the stun
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tiger for the stun


Tiger Stance doesn't stun, Bear Stance does.

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tiger for the stun


trololol. :D





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