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[Osl112]

Quicksilver Sash is so underestimated imo. An item which gives great amount of magic resist as well as a nice active proc. Though is it really worth it? Does it deem cleanse somewhat worthless (at least for tankier champs)?

I'm debating whether it is worth the proc or not; although there are other great magic res items, this one stands out for being... interesting.

[Feanor]

It's fucking sex, get it, every game if necessary, on every carry or squishy or kitable champion you can think of.

[Boozebear]

What he said.

[0neShot]

It depends, usually Banshees Veil has the better cost efficiency on squishies, because it provides other stats aswell (HP/Mana) and also Catalyst is a very sexy item to have until around midgame.

BUT on the other side there are just situations where u depend on the QSS. Mordekaiser goes straight for you with Ult+Ignite ? QSS ! Problem solved.

I would say get BV if u want to prevent long range initiation on you (Gragas Ult for example) and QSS if u have trouble with stuns/suppressions/dots.

The problem is that many ppl dont understand properly what QSS does and what it doesnt, or simply forget about the active which is worth every penny and more, given the right circumstances. The way i see it, QSS is pretty bad statwise, but the active is well worth it. So if u wont put the active to good use, dont get QSS and go straight for another MRes-Item.

Ive even seen Tryndameres play with Cleanse/Flash and getting QSS as part of their midgame build vs a Teemo for example, imo a very good choice.

[Osl112]

 0neShot, on 20 December 2011 - 02:38 PM, said:

It depends, usually Banshees Veil has the better cost efficiency on squishies, because it provides other stats aswell (HP/Mana) and also Catalyst is a very sexy item to have until around midgame.

BUT on the other side there are just situations where u depend on the QSS. Mordekaiser goes straight for you with Ult+Ignite ? QSS ! Problem solved.

I would say get BV if u want to prevent long range initiation on you (Gragas Ult for example) and QSS if u have trouble with stuns/suppressions/dots.

The problem is that many ppl dont understand properly what QSS does and what it doesnt, or simply forget about the active which is worth every penny and more, given the right circumstances. The way i see it, QSS is pretty bad statwise, but the active is well worth it. So if u wont put the active to good use, dont get QSS and go straight for another MRes-Item.

Ive even seen Tryndameres play with Cleanse/Flash and getting QSS as part of their midgame build vs a Teemo for example, imo a very good choice.

I agree statwise. I mean, the Negatron cloak costs 740 and gives 48 magic res, whilst QSS costs 700 extra and only gives you 8 more magic res. That's an appalling gain, though the proc itself is unbeatable.

Thats why I'm being quite... careful on the use of it. For example, is it worth the extra 700 for a tank which can maintain a fair amount of focus fire (although if you're focusing a tank... you're probably doing it all wrong). Is it also worth ditching cleanse and going for the QSS in game? 1440 gold, (effectively) an additional summoner spell. Although it is an underused item, is it completely worth it?

[0neShot]

There is no correct answer to your question, because it depends. As i said in my example with Mordekaiser, that would be a prime example of when QSS is clearly the way to go.

As a tank u usually get mercs and can outsit the stunduration, because in that case u have been cced and not your carry, which is good, u dont want to give them more reasons to go for your teammates, so no, rather dont get it on a tank. FoN would be almost all the time a better choice, since u will go for HP anyway.

Supports cant afford it (more wards should be enough defense) and are generally not the targets of things that should be cleansed and even then if they get caught in the first place, they ll probably die anyway, and mages usually unload all their burst before they can be seriously threatened. So QSS usually is pretty useless in that cases.

On Squieshies the problem is, that if u get caught, you are dead, and chances are that your team has just lost a fair amount of dps, because u build full dmg. So how many PROBLEMATIC ccs/dots does the enemy team have, if the answer is 2 or more u should consider a QSS and ask yourself if it provides more use than a BV or a generally tankier build, if your team can maintain a fair amount of dps without u building super squishy.

Also Squishies usually pick Exhaust/Flash or something along the lines, because they can be used aggressively and defensively (also for teammates), and Cleanse is purely defensive (only you). It can be a very smart move to pick it in Draft mode if your enemy team depends a lot on cc, but depending on your playstyle Exhaust usually provides better results.

[margaryna]

Enemy has morde/ww/malzahar? Get it. They don't have them? Optional

[Mourgus]

Look at it this way...
You just payed 700 gold for a summoner spell with a lower cooldown.
Of course it's not AS good as the real cleanse but I think it's well worth it on champions who REALLY don't want to be CC'd(Tryndamere, Tristana, Galio, etc.)

[Feanor]

 Mourgus, on 20 December 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

Look at it this way...
You just payed 700 gold for a summoner spell with a lower cooldown.
Of course it's not AS good as the real cleanse but I think it's well worth it on champions who REALLY don't want to be CC'd(Tryndamere, Tristana, Galio, etc.)

It's not as good as the real Cleanse, it's even better! Suppression, debuffs, DoT's, ALL FUCKING GONE!

I build this item whenever I play a melee AD carry, sometimes for my ranged AD carries (depends what I'm facing). This item screws so many champions that rely on combo'ing you (Veigar, Alistar, Ahri) etc.

[Suzaku910]

If they have someone like Skarner, Warwick, Galio, or Malzahar I always get QSS. Baiting dat Skarner ult is hilarious.

Otherwise, only if they have a shmeckload of CC (like 4/5 of the enemy have spammable hard CC).

[Saesenthessis]

Get it on any champ who will be CCd.
Even on tanks who can take a beating, not being stunned and smashing at your opponents is always better than just take it.

[CHARLATON]

Yes.

[Feanor]

As opposed to 'get it against CC spamming teams', it's better against 'one CC to rule them all teams' like a team with Amumu in it. If they have spammable CC, a QSS won't save you, you will just be CC'd again.

But if they rely on Amumu/Sona to initiate, getting a QSS can break their initiation.

[MagnaKay]

Against Mordekaisers, QSS is less useful than before because it deals 50% of its damage right off the bad and chances are you're getting nuked anyway. Now indeed, it is awesome against suppression champions, teams relying on AoE disable initiation (Sona/Amumu), against sniper Ashes (seriously, if they're good at aiming those arrows from long range, get one).

It is also good against Vlad to remove his ult (nobody wants neither the increasedamage% or the delayed nuke) and against stun-combo champs (Veigar, AP Sion, AP Taric...). Actually I'd get a QSS over a Banshee's for those guys since Banshee's can just be poked away, but you can save QSS for those particular situations.

All in all, it depends on who you're playing, who you're facing, and how they play.

[Churzy]

It's not something that you'll need (or want) to build every game, but it's definitely worth it if the enemy has a lot of hard-CC (especially supressions) and/or DoTs.

In terms of price, it's also fairly cheap for what it provides, and beats Banshee's in that you can choose which debuff to get rid of - however, it doesn't provide much more than the MR and stat-wise it becomes a bit weak reaching late while still taking the same inventory space. But you need to be really fed for inventory room to matter.