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[Scooterpie]

No, this is not a rant of how bad it is, since I'm rather enjoying it.

Question is, is anyone else? Would like to have someone to play with, either on SC or HC, so holler if you're up for it.

[OnnaJReverT]

well, i do enjoy the game, but after having one hero (mage, which was a pain in hell and inferno) on 60 it´s quite boring to simply rinse+repeat with another class
only thing im currently doing is gathering achievements

[Daeron]

<comment stating how D3 sucks while praising D2>

Edited by Daeron, 30 June 2012 - 09:16 PM.

[Scooterpie]

Daeron, on 30 June 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

<comment stating how D3 sucks while praising D2>

heh, standard answer on any diablo forums... question is, did anyone saying that actually play D2? I loved that game, spent years playing it, but still - it was SO BROKEN. And they complain about this game being broken, but you can't criticise their lack of constructive criticism, 'cause then you're a fanboy. yawn.

[Daeron]

I'm literally walking around everywhere with a pendrive in my pocket with a legit D2 (and a few other games) on it. As for fanboyism, it would require to mindlessly bash or praise something regardless whether it deserves it. In D3's case, it's hardly a question. And it's probably for the best that I won't start repeating all that bullshit Blizzard did in the recent past (as anyone who barely follows it knows exactly what I'm talking about), Diablo being not the only example, but currently the flagship of all of that.

What do you mean under 'broken' exactly?

Spoiler

Just to point out, I by no means state or imply that D2 was/is perfect. The reason many people praise the old because it was genuinely good during its time and they blame the new one because instead of continuing growing forward in a way that makes sense they stepped backwards in head-scratching ways.

Edited by Daeron, 30 June 2012 - 09:48 PM.

[Kaiokhen]

I am doing free crafting services featuring Leaguecraft.com

I am a Wizard inferno act brick walled since i dont have a good gear yet

[Melodia]

Oh my I enjoyed it so much.So very much but damn, as a demon hunter I can not survive in inferno after act 2 more like not even in act 2 after a while. Well I passed to act 3 with the help of a barbarian friend xD . So I am in a rage mode where I refuse to play xD Because I simply can't play alone

I think ppl rage because they killed Cain xD CAIN MUST NOT DIE ! ~

[DestructoX]

Hahahahaha I've been waiting for this thread! I simply adore D3. I'm finding it so much more enjoyable then D2. Don't get me wrong D2 was amazing, and D3 has it's flaws but I think I'm just enjoying it more. It's probably because of the various unique modifiers, the more "interactive" bosses and the various skillsets and combinations with which I can play around with ease. Although. Screw the legendary drop rates (And the viability of certain USELESS skills)

I think when people say broken they refer to leveling, bots, crafting, skill tree and the "amazing pvp". Remember how the PVP was teleporting around attempting to land a one shot kill? or how if you wanted to level quickly you'd have to sit through literally THOUSANDS of Baal bot games. All of which had their loot auto stolen by the click bots. Not to mention every minute a bot would join your game, cover your screen with chat and leave. Oh and the extent of crafting was stuffing shit into a cube. And the skill tree was great yeah, make your own character your own! Up until it got into hell and your built became shit useless so you wasted your entire time mucking around with it. (Unless you had uber gear in which case you had many other characters or bought 3rd party) So you had to go lookup some tunnel vision basic build until you got the uber gear to do the "fun" stuff. Which was my major problem. People say there were so many optimal and viable builds in D2. How many of those builds required godlike gear hmmm? How much of that gear would be in the hands of bots hmmm? How much would the people have PAYED to get their hands on it? The skill system in D2 is virtually as broken in D3. D2 it's broken because of lack of options unless you're a god, and in D3 it's broken because lack of options in Inferno.

Oh I love both games don't get me wrong. Countless characters on D2. Currently in D3 I have a Demon Hunter in Act 1 Inferno, I have a Barb in Act 2 Hell, a Wizard in Act 2 Nightmare, a Witch Doctor in Act 2 Normal. I think that's about seven ish play throughs as of now

[Kaiokhen]

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[Daeron]

All of which you've mentioned I see only one thing which is better: separate loot. The Baal runs/power leveling and the nature of PvP might be boring for people, I have yet to get bored of it. Bots do no harm and you can simply password your game. Crafting is arguably any better. As for builds, if you became useless on Hell it really comes down to the fact you probably had no idea what you are doing. Even than, I went all sort of stupid stuffs during the years just for fun and I very rarely had any problems with any of them. You don't need good gear to be able to progress either. Many times you'd rather switch to the weaker kit anyway with MF on it.

D3 is clearly a step forward in many directions, my problem is that it is also has gigantic steps backwards with made up bullshit to back it up. So no, I rather stick to D2 which has its own set of problems, but because of its time and not because it was specifically designed to screw you up in many different ways.

[DestructoX]

Daeron, on 01 July 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

All of which you've mentioned I see only one thing which is better: separate loot. The Baal runs/power leveling and the nature of PvP might be boring for people, I have yet to get bored of it. Bots do no harm and you can simply password your game. Crafting is arguably any better. As for builds, if you became useless on Hell it really comes down to the fact you probably had no idea what you are doing. Even than, I went all sort of stupid stuffs during the years just for fun and I very rarely had any problems with any of them. You don't need good gear to be able to progress either. Many times you'd rather switch to the weaker kit anyway with MF on it.

D3 is clearly a step forward in many directions, my problem is that it is also has gigantic steps backwards with made up bullshit to back it up. So no, I rather stick to D2 which has its own set of problems, but because of its time and not because it was specifically designed to screw you up in many different ways.

1. Never said that D3 was a better game, I'm merely pointing things out that people have a tendency to overlook during their comparison of the two.

2. Baal runs get wearisome eventually. It depends on your tolerance for them. After making several characters to experiment new builds and ideas with, doing runs with them became a chore. What do you call PvP as well? The nature was good, don't get me wrong. I love Act 1 free for all Hardcore rush. Funnest thing ever. But the lvl 90 PvP? Teleport around and pray they teleport into your one-shot kill? So interesting.

3. Crafting in D2 constituted smashing items into a cube. All you did was combine shit. D3s crafting system has a much wider variety of options. The issue is that it's absolute shit because of prices and rolls. It's no better then searching for loot, so why use drops to craft when you just sell for gold?

4. Haha yeah. I'm not useless as shit on hell, just to point out. How many builds though, became useless unless you were a god? Look at the fucking necromancer. He can't do shit in hell unless he's a god, and even if he's a god a summoning build is still absolute trash. Don't throw that bullshit "You don't know what you're doing" at me. Anybody who's ever played D2 to an extent and has had many characters up to hell knows the necromancer is total trash. That's hardly balance. Look at throwing barbs. Yeah, they're viable. So long as you have the godlike gear to back it up. I don't know what you call "experimenting" but apparently we have two very different ideas of it.

5.Yeah, magic find gear is always nice to have. But most unique with magic find still had good enough stats to get you through the day. In all honesty, the next step above high end magic finding gear was god like PvP gear.
6. D3 introduces a lot of things that take steps forward, I agree. What it fails to do is make that step without tripping. D3 has many elements that give it to the potential to be the better game. It just needs to receive the correct love and feedback to achieve that. Blizzard has been taking steps in the right direction with it, hopefully we'll see more of them. Don't know what you mean by "screw you up in many different ways"

On that cheerful note, I just got the sweetest bow on my Demon hunter

[Daeron]

The runs themselves are very, very repetitive as a nature of the game. You either like them or not. As for balance on Hell, I didn't really care about balance on PvM. I simply had characters specifically built for MF or PvP. By things designed to screw you up I was referring from the DRM to stuffs like drop rates, unskippable difficulties and countless other things. Mostly just tried to express my concerns about the current Blizzard (or at least the CEO, for example) and how you can simply feel the whole thing within the layers of the game. That alone spoils most of it for me.

You might want to read this, by the way. Have fun with it.

Edited by Daeron, 01 July 2012 - 04:33 AM.

[DestructoX]

Daeron, on 01 July 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

The runs themselves are very, very repetitive as a nature of the game. You either like them or not. As for balance on Hell, I didn't really care about balance on PvM. I simply had characters specifically built for MF or PvP. By things designed to screw you up I was referring from the DRM to stuffs like drop rates, unskippable difficulties and countless other things. Mostly just tried to express my concerns about the current Blizzard (or at least the CEO, for example) and how you can simply feel the whole thing within the layers of the game. That alone spoils most of it for me.

You might want to read this, by the way. Have fun with it.

I enjoyed the runs at first. Emphasis on at first xP. That's an issue though. For some people, PvM was the game, and the balance in that regard was an issue. And yeah, Blizzard is working on drop rates right now. Not sure about the difficulties or "countless" other things.

Yeah, It's unfortunate that it's managed to seep it's way into Blizzard. But I have no intention of ever paying, so I don't care for the money options. I'm content as long as they fix and balance the game.

[Scooterpie]

DestructoX said most of what I was planning to say, I was bugged out a bit by all the cheats and hacks that were used freely with a minimum threat of penalty. I loved to PvP but it was so so broken. When you talk about progress without gear it applies to PvM, not PvP, because to succeed in PvP you needed items, not skill.

D3 is a very flawed game, but I can't stand all the whining and raging and comments like "I could've done it better" from some basementdwelling moron. Still love both games though :3

Question still stands - anyone want to play with me on EU server, SC lvl 50ish, or start progressing on hardcore? You can add me in game on Scooterpie#2611

[Daeron]

DestructoX, on 01 July 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

Yeah, It's unfortunate that it's managed to seep it's way into Blizzard. But I have no intention of ever paying, so I don't care for the money options. I'm content as long as they fix and balance the game.

I'm not quite sure you get what I'm saying. If you read that post I linked, it shows how they systematically changing the whole structure of both the games and the company itself to simply milk money. I have nothing against a real money AH for example. It happened in both D2 and WoW. My problem is that they use it as an excuse for the always online DRM, next to many other things. You can swallow the bullshit that it is to protect your money.

Scooterpie, on 01 July 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

D3 is a very flawed game, but I can't stand all the whining and raging and comments like "I could've done it better" from some basementdwelling moron.

That's the point. Not 'I could have done it better'. They could have done it better. They simply decided not to for the reason above.

Edited by Daeron, 01 July 2012 - 11:45 AM.